My man, let me explain to you couple of things ok ?
What I consider a realistic, life-like game is:
- when goalkeeper actually knows his role and is a godamn KEEPER. WE9LE perfected goalkeepers that behave, act, save, and play like real life keeper would. There is plenty of evidence of this and just to get you a WOW example of keeper in action here it is:
YouTube - WE9LE - Realistic Goalie FK Behaviour & Physics here you go my friend. Now, SHOW ME this in PES12 please ?
Even with their "fancy patch" keepers are still broken and just act stupid, very scripted and automated. Are you happy scoring free kicks from 40 meters ? the ball goes straight through keepers hands ? this is what you call realistic
Keepers are bad in the 1.00 version, but in the 1.01 version they good, up to standard really. The example you showed was patheitc since PES 2011 showed similar realsim with keepers. PES 2011 problem was animations really (awful
), not programming.
I haven't played 1.01, then again neither have you. You playeed the demo, got pissed of because the AI was beating you, and deiced to bash the game because your ego couldn't take it you can't master a 'new' which is supposed 'shit' by reputation.
So besides keepers being piss poor in PES12 here's also couple of things that might enlighten you.
PES12 and FIFA12 do offer what they call "free passing" with power meter. But even with zero bars passing assistance the ball is STILL SCRIPTED. It doesn't matter your body positioning, your right foot, your whole body mechanics, the ball will find your player, not in WE9LE. WE9LE while it doesn't have 360 degree movement (over rated imo), and doesn't have power meter of your passes, it still offers you more realistic passing and here's how:
in real football match, players will use their body balance and the right foot to deliver the ball to their nearest or further away team mate correct ? this is what we9le is build on.
In PES12, good passers or even bad passers will deliver the ball even if they broke their foot and play paralyzed in a wheel chair.
I don't understand why you speak so much on PES 2012 yet you show evidance you haven't played the full game or try to change the settings to -2, and 0 bars of passing like i did. I experimented with all the settings and i found that to be the best. For all i know you judging PES 2012 on 0, game speed or +1 game speed. The passing is so far away and better than WE9, it's barley needs describing. WE9 passing is on rails, you can't pass into space with freedom like in PES 2012 or 2011 even! Most importantly in PES 2012, you 'make the ball do the work'. You realsitically build up momentum with it like a real ball.
compare shooting pes12 to we9le, its a COMPLETE joke mate and you know it. What about pk system ? Are you in the control of pks ?
Learn?
and what about mighty player individuality ? in PES12 every team can play and attack like madrid, barca etc. ? this you call realistic ?
Wow, another person who insults me by saying in PES 2012 you can't change the CPU tactics so they play differenlty. I mean i spent so much of last year and made a video if you care to watch 'PES 2011 tactics demonstratiion'. To show what you can do with each team individuallty. i was able to get teams like Stoke and Balckburn to play hoofball. Villa to play counter attack. barca to PLAY like Barca, Arsenal to play 'Sideways pass the other team to death then give it to Sagna to cross out of play'.
Did you know i tired to do this for WE9, and it hopelessly failed! I tried to get barca to play like Barca but instead despite changing their tactics and using arrows i could still with ease dominatethem with Arsenal and other teams on Top Player? On PES 2011, i never beat Barca with the tactics and and others created, just got a draw against them, in a game i had two men sent off (as Real Madrid)
Like I described before, the reason why old school gamers still love we9le/pes5 to this day is because we don't care about flashy animations (which by the was pes12 doesn't even have haha) , we dont care about the graphics and how beloved messi and ronaldo look, what we look for is:
how to play the game like we see it on TV.
You know what forget the rest of your nonsense. I mean i actually really like WE9 and i think it's unfair to compare a game released in 2005 to one reelased in 2011, and the gap between them is huge in PES 2012 favour so it's no shame ont he classic WE9.
The fact is that you conveinently ignored and didn't want to talk about the first touch in WE9, which ias actually good, but again nowhere near the crazy depth of PES 2012, where Division 2 teams with players of 65-70 ball control and poor dribbling and crap passing don't stupidly try stuff they aint capable off, they instead hoof it up to the striker just like most League 2 teams and other lower league teams with crap tecnique do
I don't even need to quote the individuallity because in WE9, i know for a fact fake shot is too efective, because of the canned animation which is simply to powerful beacuse of the game is so heavily on rails. Everything else is limited and on rails.
Even the WE9 stamina which has been the best in any game has been matched in PES 2012 now.
Having said this WE9 is still a great game which holds it own! I mean fuck it i might play it again now
Which leave me to it's God, or ermm Pope, otherwise known as Soyo
What you are trying to say klashman is that in WE9LE there is no other way to win but to play "slow possesion football"?
In the 3 games we played agaisnt eachover, we used three different teams, each time you played with a 4-4-2, (i think it was setup like 4-1-3-2 or a diamond i think. Depspite the difference in the teams qualities and different individualls every match played out pretty much the exact same way. We slowly built from the back, which is beacuse the passing is so god dam slow for the sake of being slow. Which i don't get, the normal ratings are fine, there was no need to slow it down further with global editing. I mean i think in the last one i used kaiserslauten, now they do have decent tecnical players like Moravek, Holousek but in general they a strong physical hardworking team. In PES 2012, you can try pass with them, but to get the best out of them just like in real life, it's best to vary it up and make sure you play long balls to lakic up top, with his strenth you can win headers and lay the ball off.
In WE9, just like i did with Ajax before and Wolfsburg, i just playeds the same way, pass, pass, pass, try some fake shots and 1-2 and look mainly to shoot from angles which scoring was favored. You pretty much played in a smilar way but better
, and captialised on some really silly mistakes i made because the two last games where pretty even
Now in the old ideology like i said, that WAS realsim! That WAs perfection in a way. Thing is with PES 2011 and PES 2012, they have finally moved on! It's now mirroring the key aspect for football which is playing to your strengths. The key changes aren't just 360 dribbling, passing movement etc.. it's... First touch and ball control! This is what i most love about the last two games. You can only do close control with those who have the stats to perform them, you have to really use R2 wisely with . Also other indivduallty makes it so you don't even bother to run with technical players like xavi, totti etc.. there's no point, use them for their passing, vision and just making space and controlling games. On WE9 with anyone really i used fake shot, was able to dribble without too many issues. Most players have pretty good ball control, mainly because it's on rails, WE9 is old so i can't be harsh on it, i still does a great job with individuallity.
I haven't even got started with the depth witrh dribbling yet
ps. Deffensive line A is useless if someone has no clue how to play with it, has wrong tactical setup which is a must to play with it, and doesn't have good defenders with right characteristics. If it was that easy to play with high defensive line, then why so few teams use it when playing against team with similar, or higher quality?
No, i know how to use it and i know the best teams for it, i know a high line is used for attacking teams to pin the opposition in their half, win the ball back quickly and to make the oppostiion play dare, play the difficaulot hollywood balls etc.. i know what it's about, it just there is no point using it because Defensive line C works so well. I find C to be a bit silly to be honest, not just it works so well, it dosen't spoil your attack bbut you literally camp in the 6 yard box
. In real football a team defending super deep even tends to defend at about 18-10 yards away from their goal. I play as a center back, i know the lines which are acceptable so i have a good idea about defensive lines
Sure they can. Just make a game based on realism, not arcadish ping-pong, scripted, unballanced gameplay.
And they have done it, fore PES 2011 even, with PES 2012 it's just you need to make afew tweaks with the ingame settings. On PES 2011 it's so mch about half length. Play 15-20 it's realsim to a good standard. Play 25+ over it's awesome.
With PES 2012, it's about.
Game speed. (needs to be on -2)
Pass assistantce (needs to be 0)
Time Length (the longer the better, 10, 15 is ok, 20 is very good, and 25 + is again, unbeliverble)
With WE9, it's out of the box realsitc, thing is, games are too much about money these days and they need to be set up casual friendly. People aren't making even basic tinkewrs which take, about what? 5-10 secounds at the most to see the simualtion. They hear the bad reputation and they curse.
Not many people have taken the time to see PES 2012 on thise settings, i feel not many really understand it's potential and how good it is.
All i say is just give it a try on these settings man. You will still play WE9 but i believe you will eventually see my point and enjoy new methods of football realsim
I never expect perfection, i look for the positive things and what i've found i'm happy i had the paitence and open mind to see it
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It's about having an open mind!
